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     Lakeview Member Username: Lakeview Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 64.250.203.145 |
I was hoping you all could give me a little info. This is my first year to AI and I was wondering what the benefits are to using PMSG or PG600 when you pull the cidrs? Also which is best to use PMSG or PG 600? If you prefer PMSG then which one is best between Folligon and Cycloplus. Please respond any and all info is appreciated. | ||
| Antlervalley Member Username: Antlervalley Post Number: 150 Registered: 09-2007 Posted From: 64.111.52.2 |
I was told by a reputable source that PG600 was fine to use, go about 1.5 ml per dose instead of the recommended label of 5 ml. I have also heard that it might not be necessary to give anything, but I don't have the acorns to try that. I am, however putting PG600 into 19 does this year and only using PMSG on the top deer. I'm only worried that I'll have a bunch of triplets and morelets-one doe has had quads before and never goes below trips, so on her I'll probably try just 1 ml of PG. Good luck making a decision! | ||
| Don_h Member Username: Don_h Post Number: 138 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 67.58.231.240 |
While on this subject, I am wondering how much PMSG everyone gives? and also the number of fawns per doe that you get with your dosage. I am getting great conception rates but too many single fawns and am trying to figure out the answer to get mostly twins with occassional triplets. | ||
| Elkman1 Member Username: Elkman1 Post Number: 57 Registered: 01-2007 Posted From: 66.113.51.45 |
I use PMSG and have been having the same problem which is many singles. I use 200 IU but plan to try GNRH given at semen AI on the doe. I start AI at 54 hours. How much PMSG do you give your does? | ||
| Wooden_acres Member Username: Wooden_acres Post Number: 328 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 206.176.206.180 |
Gosh I would think PMSG would give you more multible births than GnRH . GnRH (gonadotropin release hormone) controls ovulation and CL function (corpus luteum) while PMSG pregnant mare serum gonadotropin enhances twining and stimulates multiple ovulations. HCG also induces ovulation (human chorionic gonadotropin). Just a thought .. | ||
| Hvwhitetails Member Username: Hvwhitetails Post Number: 58 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 64.111.137.102 |
We give PMSG 2cc then 53 hours later GNRH when AIing. | ||
| Elkman1 Member Username: Elkman1 Post Number: 58 Registered: 01-2007 Posted From: 66.113.51.45 |
Joe, If you give 2cc of PMSG that will be 400 IU which is very large dose of PMSG which will cause many quads. Most guys use 150 IU to 200 IU. P.S. I sent your Folligon today. Thanks | ||
| Hvwhitetails Member Username: Hvwhitetails Post Number: 60 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 198.140.183.1 |
Jack, my mistake. I though the concentration was 1ML/100IU making it 2Ml to be given. Thanks for the correction. I might have given to much. | ||
| Redwood_river_whitetails Member Username: Redwood_river_whitetails Post Number: 27 Registered: 07-2007 Posted From: 206.146.79.146  |
So can anyone answer in the start of this thread as to whether folligon or cyloplus is best...very curious to know since I asked this question about a month ago and nobody answered the question. | ||
| Rick Member Username: Rick Post Number: 160 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 65.111.68.2  |
All i know is we AI'ed 4 does last year and used Folligon, all 4 took to AI 3 had twins 1 had a single | ||
| Lakeview Member Username: Lakeview Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 216.198.167.120 |
Does anyone know where a person could find some PMSG? | ||
| Joe_c Member Username: Joe_c Post Number: 36 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 75.161.186.141  |
I used PG600 and was given mostly twins,a few triplets, and two sets of quads. I gave it to the A.I. doe herd at 150 i.u. All doe were A.I.'ed from 60-72 hours and the only singles were from first time mothers that were yearlings at the time of conception. I always used 1/2 cc straws. I have only received one single fawn this past year from a doe other than a yearling. The semen I used was always a full straw per doe and most of this semen was stronger than most of the over-extended semen collected and sold on the open market today. This is over a five plus year period. I am not well versed with the LAP A.I. process nor am I even interested. | ||
| Texstar_wildlife_services Member Username: Texstar_wildlife_services Post Number: 21 Registered: 04-2007 Posted From: 65.162.74.76 |
Joe, how many cc's of the PG600 150 i.u. do you give? | ||
| Kydeer Member Username: Kydeer Post Number: 64 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 72.49.152.79 |
Hey Lakeview,if you go to the ads part of this web site and look under A.I. products you will fine it. | ||
| Joe_c Member Username: Joe_c Post Number: 37 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 75.161.186.141 |
Texstar, If you take the bottle of PG600 it has 400 IU. By putting 3cc of diluent into it and shaking it up you have combined the two. If you want to give your doe a strong shot, 1.25 cc into the muscle will do the job. If you have a few females that have a history of A.I.'ing successfully every time and have had triplets or more then give them 1 cc. Whatever you have left in the bottle you can use with another bottle of 3cc combined solution. I would not recommend giving them a 200 IU shot of 1.5 cc. This would be overkill. By pulling your CIDR's on the day that another doe that is coming into estruous nearby naturally, this will trigger your A.I. doe herd. I have used this method before without CIDR's and a hormone shot and have had success with it but it is time consuming and you do not want to put the semen in too early. Anytime that you can make your A.I. doe herd breed as close as possible to the natural breeding date you are doing your deer and yourself a service. | ||
| Elkman1 Member Username: Elkman1 Post Number: 60 Registered: 01-2007 Posted From: 66.113.51.45 |
I just want to thank all the people on Deer Farmers for the support I received in the sale of CIDR's and Folligon for this year’s AI breeding. I was glad to help. Every year we deer breeders seem to have this problem getting our AI products. I will be stocking these products again for next year. Anyone interested in being notified in June of 2009 for their AI needs just email me and I will put you on my list. petmanjack@mac.com Again thank you for your support. |
