|Posted on Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 05:18 pm: |
Imagine coming up with an idea so needed in our industry that you just had to go for it...you just needed help. Now imagine the guy who claimed to want to help you decided to just take the idea and run with it without you. Is that your intellectual property? or is that drop chute blueprint plan really his.
"You deal with a snake...expect a fast, poisonous strike." I really did get that quote from one of his purported friends in the business.
I was just waiting for this posting to happen. In a short time I will have a blueprint set up on my website and it will cost you (the Deer farmer) nothing to purchase
Imagine coming up with an idea so needed in our industry that you just had to go for it...you just needed help. I chose a guy that seemed to have a religious value system or at least his e-mails indicated as much to many I'm sure. Now imagine the guy who claimed to want to help you decided to just take the idea and run with it without you. Is that your intellectual property? Or is that drop chute blueprint really his?
"You deal with a snake expect to get bit Chris, a fast, and poisonous strike." I really did get that quote from one of his purported friends in the business. Seems Minnesota deer farmers are teeming with catchy little quoates like that about him.
I was just waiting for this posting to happen...In a short time I will have a blueprint set up on my website and it will cost you (the Deer farmer) nothing to get your hands on it. I would save the cost of his print and wait for mine to come out, as I am a REAL student of MECHANICAL ENGINEERING. My print will be set up for the mechanically inclined farmer of course and probably not to the layperson detail his might be...but it will be drawn up on a CAD program as I am qualified to do so as a second year engineering student.
Yes, I do this simply to hinder his sales.
I truly have the entrepreneurial fire burning in my gut. I just cannot let this intellectual theft go unchecked.
I guess I will no longer believe the religous material I get from him (being part of his mailing list, as the religous content is primary of the reasons I decided to go to him first.
out of the business my butt...
Christopher C. Mudgett
Echo Valley Whitetails
|Posted on Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 05:32 pm: |
OK, you caught me...I pre-write my posts in fast form on WORD or WORKS and paste it here so I can spell check it prior to posting...Some of us still spell phonetically.
Please disregard the first three paragraphs and the word entrepreneurial...do that one phonetically.
ON TRA PA NURE E AL...good thing we have WORD and WORKS
I just may tarnish my name doing this cry baby stuff about the chute print, but I never stole another persons idea before. Ok, the time I wanted to call the trade magazine for smoked meats The Pork Chop Post wasn't my idea...but I settled on The Hickory Herald.
Poor Publisher Was I.
|Posted on Friday, September 13, 2002 - 08:43 am: |
OK, OK, I survived the silly buckboy exchange, but I think I missed something here! Was there a post prior to this that explains? Please explain Chris! We dont mind phonetics either, its better then some posts here, lol.
|Posted on Friday, September 13, 2002 - 10:41 am: |
He must be freinds with mike rozell
|Posted on Friday, September 13, 2002 - 02:19 pm: |
I came up with an idea to sell blueprints for a drop chute...the guy I approached with the idea was very motivated to partner in the conceptual phase of the project. He just had to give me his basic hand drawn prints and I would figure out the dimentions, angles, other requirments, and get it into CAD format for easy printing.
After two weeks I called back and he claimed he thought he would neverhear from me again and was proceeding on his own. He also told me he was going to copyright the whole project...
In retaliation for the intellectual theft I am going to draw my own prints and put them on the internet for free.
Christopher C. Mudgett
|Posted on Friday, September 13, 2002 - 03:36 pm: |
OK, Chris, I gotcha. I read the post, and it read as though Id missed a weeks worth of conversation. Just between you and me? Id handle this differently...
|Posted on Friday, September 13, 2002 - 03:48 pm: |
Chris, I think you are handling it okay. The sooner you get to this guy the better. Looking forward to your print.
|Posted on Friday, September 13, 2002 - 04:28 pm: |
Yes Chris, you had your chance to send me the money just like so many others.
Ten years ago, I was selling some fawns and a gentleman told me that he would take 4 fawns and I had to pull them and start them on the bottle, which I did and he never showed up to get his fawns and I ended up bottle feeding them full term. Foolish me - No Deposit !! Another gentleman wanted to buy a buck for $1500.00 that I sent him a photo of, I purchased the buck for him on his word that he would pay me when he picked it up. Foolish me again - I had to sell the buck at a loss !!
4 years ago, I built my first drop chute and later advertised it for $800.00. I sold my first drop chute and had several enquiries for plans but I did not draw them then. You contacted me 3 months ago and ask if I have drop chute or plans, I told you I had built another drop chute and had also started on the plans but they were only rough drawing at that time. And if you wanted to redraw and sell the prints and pay me a commission; you were to send me a check for $100.00 and I would send you my rough drawings. You said you were sending it then. 3 weeks go by, you called and again said you were sending the check. Well, it is now 3 months, and I have finished the prints. Again, No Deposit and I DID the work full term. So, it is my right to sell what I make !!! Stop crying wolf when you did not do your part by sending me the check !!!
|Posted on Friday, September 13, 2002 - 06:15 pm: |
I dont know or care about either of you, and am not an attorney nor judge, but to settle this feud, I will make a ruling, so as to avoid petty crap on this site.
Chris, you have betrayed your own position with the statement. "I came up with an idea to sell blueprints for a drop chute" and then admitted "He just had to give me his basic hand drawn prints"
As such, you admitted that you did not have the drop chute details, and according to most interpretations of trademark, patent and copyright law, ideas are not patentable nor copyrighted, hence you have no rights to claim anything. Sorry
|Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:43 am: |
I'm not talking about laws or claims. I'm talking about principle, honor and honesty in our industry. Some people can do business with a handshake and it's those people I try to do business with.
Some people do things that deliberatly decive or sucker another in. Why does he send spiritual e-mail to the recipients of his mailing list? I'm sure it's not to let them know you had better act now or I'm gonna run with it.
So as to avoid (any further)petty crap on this site, I'm done with it....I've gotten enough e-mail to let me know many people are of the same mind as me and are waiting for the free print.
BTY...95% of all millionaires made in one generation say the five most important characteristics to business are;
1)Ability to find a Niche Market
I forgot the fifth, but you get the point...I think
Christopher C. Mudgett
Echo Valley Whitetails
|Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:18 am: |
Don't know for sure if it's Chris or Wayne sharing all of the facts with us but at least Chris was willing to post his full name and if you chose to do so you could email him simply by clicking on EchoValley. If you notice, you can't do that to contact Wayne. However, if anybody wishes to know who Wayne is, my guess would be Wayne Pederson. He is always sending people unsolicited email.
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|Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:59 am: |
Right on, antler333. What Chris doesnt seem to see is that his actions over this issue, even if he were being breached, will certainly be undermining his reputation in that field in the future. Also, of COURSE hes being inundated with email...every cheap son of a pup wants those FREE drawings!!! Its not up to me as to who is right, wrong or honest, but hell, we tried to help! For what its worth, filing for and trying to protect patents or copyrights in these small markets without financial backing is worthless to begin with...
Post Number: 3
|Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 06:03 am: |
I don't know about the drop chute mentioned earlier. But, I do think the industry needs to monitor the integrity,honesty and HISTORY of our suppliers. Accurate history can only be obtained from other deerfarmers. I purchased a drop chute and holding facility two years ago from a supplier that was showing at NaDeFa conference. Seemed reliable and knowledgeable, but lo and behold, the doors do not open all the way and the floor of the chute is too high so that the deer are able to push out with their feet. I have NEVER been able to use that facility. I look out into my pasture only to see a big green plywood and metal structure that is completely useless to the tune of over $6000. SO.... I am all for discussing issues like this.
|Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 09:49 am: |
How much you want for it.
|Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 10:21 am: |
What kind of deer did you run through the chute - was the chute made for them or adjustable?
I have the first drop chute made by Wayne Pederson and have used it for two years with no injuries or wrecks. I have run 50lb fawns to 300+lb bucks through it. It has an adjustable setting on it and could handle bigger animals. I know he has sold a dozen or more of the plans and has been very helpful in the makings of my system.
Post Number: 4
|Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 03:14 am: |
Anonymous, I am taking pictures of the chute. I will post them when film is developed. You can take a look at it.