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     Fudd Member Username: Fudd Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 69.30.152.183 |
I need help tranquilizing my black buck antelope using xylazine (rompun). i need help finding the right dosage to knock 'em down, and if I need to use a reversal??? Is it safe to use without a reversal? HELP! | ||
| Scottheinrich Member Username: Scottheinrich Post Number: 1263 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 65.0.126.14  |
Use the same dosage rate as a WT deer and Tolazine works great as the antagonist. | ||
| Txconsulting Member Username: Txconsulting Post Number: 24 Registered: 09-2006 Posted From: 67.95.44.166 |
If it is a male blackbuck I would recommend using 0.8-1.0cc of 333mg/ml of Xylazine (4cc) mixed with a bottle of Telozol. And I agree with Scott, the Tolazine is the the best reversal. You can let him come out of it naturally, but you will be there monitoring him for a substantial amount of time. | ||
| Fudd Member Username: Fudd Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 69.30.152.100 |
I only have Rompun (xylozine) 100mg/ml. I don't have telazol. I took a course with Safe Capture but I'm still afraid I don't have the dosage figured out. How much would I give to a grown black buck that weighs 70-80lbs.? | ||
| Scottheinrich Member Username: Scottheinrich Post Number: 1272 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.159.31.26 |
I would administer 1.5-2.5cc of 100mg/ml Xylazine(Without seeing the animal I am hesitant to be exact). Keep in mind, without the Telazol, the anesthetic plane will be very light and the BB may awaken during handling. Approach to the animal will need to be quiet,out of the line of sight, and preferably downwind. I would reverse with 2cc of Tolazine (IV). Good luck. | ||
| Txconsulting Member Username: Txconsulting Post Number: 28 Registered: 09-2006 Posted From: 67.95.44.166 |
Scott is right, without the Telozol the buck might jump up. My humble opinion is to wait for the Telozol. All your vets should have some or be able to get some overnight. If not then proceed as Scott recommended. Once you have your hands on the animal hog tie the legs and blindfold. After you are finished, if you do not know how to administer the Tolazine IV then you can use it IM also. If you go IM I would up the dose 0.50cc though. | ||
| Dryc66 Member Username: Dryc66 Post Number: 79 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 63.98.157.221 |
Thanks to Scott and TX I am enjoying the post and learning a bunch. Since we have to of the greatest darting Guru's of all time particpating, I have a question about darting whitetails. On Wednesday I had my first darting fatality. I had a 4 yr old buck (approx 225 lbs) that I hit with 1.25 cc of 333 Xyl/Telazol at a rate of 3cc Xyl/1 btl Tel. He went down nice and easy, and went to sleep. I blind folded and hog tied him, put him on the stretcher, loaded him on the buggy, drove out of the pen and too the trailer. This was probably 12-13 minutes post darting. I opened the trailer door and when I turned around I smelled rumen contents and noticed he had quit breathing. I immediatley lifted the rear end side of the stretcher to allow everything inside him to run down hill and out of him. Most of the contents were coming out his nose. I started chest compressions and got him to gasp a couple of times, but with all the foodstuffs coming out out his nose, I figured it had to of been in his lungs, and even had I got him to breath in his own again, the likleyhood of him catching pneumonia and surviving it were slim. I worked on him several minutes then just let him pass. I now think he had must of just eaten prior to me darting him. I know when people go in for any type of anesthsia the Dr's always want us on an empty stomach. I think this upchucking is the reason why. Now, other than bad timing on my part, is there anything I did wrong? I know we can have discussions about drug dosages and stuff, and from what I've read from earlier posts this is a heavy Telazol mixture, but I have had really good success with it for 3 years. (3 years and approx 200 dartings). I have used as heavy as 2.75cc of 333 Xyl, and as light as 3.25 cc of 333 Xyl. This particular buck was in with does and really getting geared up for the upcoming rut. I debated on whether I should use 1.1-1.2cc but because I think his testosterone was near peaking and I prefer an animal to be completely out before handling them I opted for the heavier dose. I know the devil will be in the details here, but from what you've read I would appreciate your opinions, and anyone else's as well. Thanks in advance...........Daniel Rychlik | ||
| Scottheinrich Member Username: Scottheinrich Post Number: 1277 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 158.35.225.230 |
I don't see anything in your dosage rates that would have caused the situation you describe even though the rates were a bit heavier than lable directions. I am curious about one thing.....when you first approached the deer to dart him, was he calm, lying down and chewing his cud? My guess is the answer to this question is mostly yes. Just like humans, the intake of food prior to being anesthized is risky. In a ruminating animal, so is its cud-chewing just before being darted. Just a guess on my part, but it would not surprise me if correct. | ||
| Txconsulting Member Username: Txconsulting Post Number: 30 Registered: 09-2006 Posted From: 67.95.44.166 |
I like the mix 4cc of 333mg/ml Xylazine with one btl of Telozol. But the higher concentration is fine too. I too don't see anything wrong with the dosage you administered. I always try to take the deer off feed for 36-48 hours before darting. Have not had a problem with aspiration yet (key word, YET!) After darting, I wait until I feel confident they are out, roll them to the right side so that the rumen is facing up, take a temp, load them on the stretcher, when I get them to my working station, I put hay under their shoulder and face them head first on a down hill slope. This way if they do aspirate, it drains. On your part, some more details would be helpful to the situation but I would say based on the information presented, your procedures were good. I have about a 2% mortality rate (including next day problems with post capture myopia) with all of my darting history. I might go 200 deer and not loose a one, then dart 2 more and loose both. We all loose deer. Each deer reacts different, but like I said I don't see anything wrong with your procedures other than not taking them off feed. But still, Like Scott said, they will regurgitate their cud, and for well after 48 hour post termination of feed. Before darting I like to go out there for 10-15 minutes and get a feel for how everyone is doing, what they are doing, and how they are interacting with each other. This just gives me a mental picture for assessment. | ||
| Dryc66 Member Username: Dryc66 Post Number: 80 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 63.98.157.221 |
Thanks for the opinions. Scott, I know when I entered the pen he was lying down resting, but his head was obscured by brush. It is very possible, in fact probable, that he was chewing his cud. I guess it was basically just my turn. I will be more observant next time. Thanks again for the advice. |
